S1 E02

Naomi Epkerigin:
And Yet we Brunch

Comedian Naomi Ekperigin discusses her feelings about the spacebar key and the wisdom of not trusting your gut.

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Naomi Ekperigin is an actor, stand-up comedian and writer who has appeared on Late Night with Seth Meyers, Two Dope Queens, and her own Comedy Central Half Hour special. Naomi has written for Comedy Central’s Broad City, Hulu’s Difficult People, and NBC’s Great News. In 2017, she was listed as one of “10 Comedians You Need to Know” by Rolling Stone. Check out her podcast, with co-host/financé Andy Beckerman, at couplestherapypod.com.

NAOMI EKPERIGIN: It’s crazy to think that actors or writers or dancers or the fucking, the stars of the Nickelodeons back in the day. First people went from town to town and then some smart ass probably fat man said, “How can I insert myself in this process? I don’t have to do the labor of getting up in front of people. But there’s got to be a way I can still make money off of this.”

NEIL GOLDBERG: Wow.

NAOMI: How did that happen? Who was that sociopath? Who was that genius?

NEIL: Hello. I’m Neil Goldberg and this is my new podcast, She’s a Talker. On today’s episode, I’ll be talking to genius comedian Naomi Ekperigin. But first I want to tell you a little bit about the podcast itself. I’m a visual artist, but for the past million or so years, I’ve been writing passing thoughts down on index cards. I’ve got thousands of them. I originally wrote the cards just for me or maybe to use in future art projects, but now I’m using them as prompts for conversations with some of my favorite artists, writers, performers, and beyond. These days the cards often start as recordings I make into my phone. Each episode I’ll start with some recent ones. Here they are: An app that scans your face and tells you what percentage is nose. On coffee packaging it’s always interesting to see the branding used to call out decaf from regular. Theory, firefighters are either in it for the siren or the horn. Waking up in the middle of a dream can feel like opening a dishwasher mid-cycle.

NEIL: I am thrilled to have as my guest Naomi Ekperigin, amazing comedian who you may have seen on Two Dope Queens, or Late Night with Seth Meyers, or on her own Comedy Central Half Hour, or in the writing credits for Broad City, Difficult People, or other television programs. I first met Naomi about a decade ago through my husband Jeff, and we bonded over a love of visual art, cats, New York city, a bunch of other things. I spoke with her in July in Washington DC, semi-randomly. She was doing a show there at the same time eff was doing a different show, and I was along for the ride. Here goes.

NEIL: Naomi, welcome to She’s A Talker. I want to start with some evergreen questions I ask everyone. So what is the elevator pitch for what it is you do?

NAOMI: The elevator pitch. I am a comedian and actor who will write if she has to.

NEIL: Aha.

NAOMI: That feels loaded. That feels weighted and emotional. Maybe I wouldn’t say that in an elevator. If I wanted to keep it light, I am a comedian and actor who wants people to feel okay. That’s the energy I want you to leave interaction with me with.

NEIL: Every time I have been with you, I have felt significantly better than that.

NAOMI: Wow, really? But I’m so negative, Neil.

NEIL: But negativity can be generous.

NAOMI: Yes. Thank you. That is what I aim for in a way.

NEIL: Yeah, generous negativity.

NAOMI: Yes. In a way. Maybe that’s my elevator pitch. Generous negativity. It’s interesting because you know, as you know, I live in LA now. And I find that to be a place that is very resistant to negativity and the way growing up as a new Yorker, I feel like, yes, that is what we truck in. We truck in. “Where the fuck is this train?” “Why does it smell like shit?” And that’s our bonding.

NEIL: Absolutely.

NAOMI: It’s like we’re in this together. The community is almost built around that.

NEIL: Absolutely.

NAOMI: And now I live in a place that is aggressively successful. Positivity becomes a brand because you have to create the illusion that things are going good so that things can go good.

NEIL: Oh because they believe in that shit too.

NAOMI: That, but also you want people to, you want someone to hire you and so you want them to think you’re a hot commodity.

NEIL: Right.

NAOMI: Whereas I just like to be like, “I haven’t worked in six months. I will do it.”

NEIL: And that’s who I want to hire, by the way. Okay. That’s your elevator pitch. How does your mother describe? Someone is in an elevator with your mother. How does she describe what Naomi does? Her daughter, Naomi.

NAOMI: She would literally say, “I don’t know. She doesn’t tell me anything.” She would say that to a stranger. Because I saw her do it just a couple months ago. So yeah, that would be her elevator pitch of me. Terrible daughter.

NEIL: Another question I want to ask everybody, which is what is something you find yourself thinking about today?

NAOMI: I think being in D.C. especially, right now I just find myself preoccupied with the state of the world. This is a brunchy Saturday, it’s bright, it’s sunny, people are thriving. You would have no idea that democracy is crumbling. And I thought I would see it more here, like almost in Buffy being on the hell mouth. I thought you would just have more ghouls and goblins around.

NEIL: I hear that the ghouls and goblins are in Virginia.

NAOMI: Okay, okay. That might explain it.

NEIL: But isn’t there a deep truth to that in a certain way? Which is basically at any point in time there is unimaginable suffering happening in the world.

NAOMI: Right.

NEIL: And yet we brunch.

NAOMI: Exactly. And yet we brunch, you know? And still I rise.

NEIL: Yes. All right Naomi, thank you so much for being here. I want to, I’ve selected some cards that I would love for you just to, us to be in the space of these cards together.

NAOMI: Okay.

NEIL: The first card is how the space bar key is the loudest, often the most aggressive, but it is a void.

NAOMI: Neil, I’ve never thought about it. But you’re right. It is probably the loudest. I enjoy the space it takes up. If that makes, I like the width of a good space bar. I don’t like that enter is so small. I’d like enter to be if it was like half space bar, half enter at the bottom.

NEIL: I think that would be great.

NAOMI: I would just like a little more. Because there is something about the definitive like, “Boom, onto the next.”

NEIL: Right.

NAOMI: Next line.

NEIL: Right.

NAOMI: I’ve submitted. You know?

NEIL: Yeah, yeah.

NAOMI: I want that to be a little more definitive.

NEIL: The enter key, it’s so true. The enter key needs more.

NAOMI: It needs more.

NEIL: I also think delete. I don’t know, there’s just uncertain. Sometimes the difference between backspace and delete, let’s eliminate that. Or no?

NAOMI: No. God, no.

NEIL: Okay.

NAOMI: Because here’s the thing, I will tell you, I think deletion should be a little harder. Because it will give you, it makes sure you think. Are you sure? Are you sure?

NEIL: Cheers. Yeah.

NAOMI: You know?

NEIL: Yeah.

NAOMI: No, no, no. Backspace and delete cannot come together. Absolutely not. I will literally keep everything because I’m like, “You never fucking know. It may not work right now, but it may work in draft two.” So when you’re doing alts on jokes and then you kind of go, “Oh, I like that one the best,” don’t delete everything else. Move it to scrap.

NEIL: Is scrap a zone? Is scrap a place? Is scrap a file? What is scrap?

NAOMI: Yeah, it’s a file.

NEIL: Or is it a concept? It’s a file.

NAOMI: It’s scrap file.

NEIL: Okay.

NAOMI: You know? You just have a doc, you pop all that scrap. That’s your leftovers, your scrapple, if you will. Saute that later.

NEIL: Naomi, next card. The uncertainty of whether the cat is snuggling you just for the warmth.

NAOMI: I don’t care. I’ll take it. I just want them to be close. I love when they’re close.

NEIL: Yeah, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t. That’s a beautiful answer.

NAOMI: So in our move I was like, “We must have a king bed.” Because in New York we’re a queen sized bed with the two cats and it was like the contortion moves … Andy, way more Andy, my fiance, more than me. He was like, “I don’t want to disturb them.” So we’re talking a full tuck the knees under the chest, pull out, slowly roll.

NEIL: Barely. Yes.

NAOMI: To get into and out of the bed.

NEIL: Getting perfect tens from the judges.

NAOMI: Exactly. He would go hard to make sure. He’s like, “I don’t want them to leave. I don’t want him to leave.”

NEIL: That’s us too. That is us too.

NAOMI: I’ve gotten them for the snuggle. That for me is the beauty of cats.

NEIL: Next card, Naomi, how you go in and out of suspension of disbelief when you watch a movie. You calm yourself by saying, “This isn’t real.” I’ll often do that around thrillers, murder shows, horror shows. Where it’s like you kind of step back a little bit to say, “This is only a movie.” But then you go back in.

NAOMI: I don’t think about it consciously, but I think that does happen to me sometimes. I think, yeah, like I have to remind myself, I go, “Someone’s going to survive because that is the nature of most movies.” You know? I’m like remember … Or I think I get that way too with TV shows. Like I watch a lot of the CW superhero shit. But part of why I watch it, it’s almost calming, a [inaudible 00:09:34]. Because I go, “They’re not killing Supergirl.” You know what I mean? So whatever she’s getting into any given week, there are no stakes here. They’re not killing one of our mains. You know?

NAOMI: Not on a network show. Obviously then there’s the gritty cable shows where you’re like, “Anyone’s up for grabs. I can’t get too attached.” And it’s very stressful for me. I have to be in this very specific mood to watch that show. It’s funny because Andy and I, we love the show Pose. There’s the specter of death imposed because it takes places during the height of the AIDS epidemic when no one knows what it is or what to really do. And then you have, these are also trans people of color who even today, their life is not guaranteed. So I’m always, that for instance, for me is a show where I have to be like, “Okay, they’re probably not going to kill our main character. They’re probably not going to kill our main character. You can relax, you can relax.” I do that a lot.

NAOMI: Recently, I’m not going to give anyone any spoilers, but we were behind on the episode, but then I saw someone Tweet it where it was like the loss of a character. And I literally am in my head being like, “Okay, you have to relax. Okay, who could they reasonably kill that wouldn’t be upsetting?” And literally thinking about the characters. They’re saying it’s upsetting, but it’s not our main, we can move forward. I’m going through the math of what might happen so I can be calm.

NEIL: A related card. My favorite TV show is The Menu.

NAOMI: The Menu, like the guide where you flip through channels?

NEIL: Yeah like on Netflix.

NAOMI: Yeah. Oh.

NEIL: Where I can’t tell you how many times I have intended to have a night of TV that really is just me looking at the options and feeling at the end of that fully content.

NAOMI: Wow. You know what? See, you’re a fundamentally content person.

NEIL: Oh, God.

NAOMI: Nothing makes me angrier. Nothing makes me angrier. I will fucking stay up until 2:00 in the morning until I find a goddamn show. We will, because here’s the thing, right? And I’m literally convinced, I’m like, “I’m only seeing 10% of what Netflix has to offer. You’re not even giving me everything.” I will literally be like, “Andy, lets look at your Netflix. I want to see if you see different stuff than I see.” Because of what you’ve watched, they’re showing you similar stuff.

NEIL: Oh yeah. Yeah.

NAOMI: But I’m like, “I want to watch something different.” They love being like continue watching or watch it again. And I’m like, “No, I saw it. Why would that be the thing you recommending?” So then you toggle over, we literally have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, HBO Go. I will go through all four of those bitches trying to find a goddamn program. It’s literally, as the time dwindles, I’m like, “Well now I can’t even watch a full movie. Now I just need a half hour. Just give me one new TV show I can get into.” I just adjust it as my scrolling goes on and on.

NEIL: We should have a key exchange, you know? Like a key exchange party where people sleep with each others couples, but it’s just you do it with each other’s Netflix.

NAOMI: A password exchange.

NEIL: Exactly. That would be so great.

NAOMI: Oh my God, yes.

NEIL: That would be so fun.

NAOMI: It’s like Airbnb-

NEIL: I’d love to have yours, I’d love to have Andy’s. It would be like Airbnb.

NAOMI: It’s like how do you live? Show me how you live. What are you watching?

NEIL: Naomi, next card. That thing where the toilet dramatically rises as if it might overflow and doesn’t.

NAOMI: The most stressful thing I could think of. Also, you know what gets me? When I go to your house and if you got one of those kind of toilets, you need to put a fucking sign on the door. Okay? When you go to somebody’s house and they got a high rise toilet and I’m like, “The fuck? I just peed, but was it too much toilet paper? Am I about to have to go ask them for a plunger?” Also keep your plunger in the bathroom. Don’t make anybody have to come out and do anything, say a word to you.

NEIL: Yeah.

NAOMI: But that gets me. Because I’ve been in people’s houses and you’re like, “This is it. Okay, I barely know them. They invited me to a dinner party.” I get a pit in my stomach immediately when it rises like that. And it’s really hard to shake and then when it does go back down, here’s the question, is it still a semi-clogged toilet and I’ve skated by? Am I leaving this for the next person? Should I let someone know? Is that on me? Or do I just think my lucky stars and get out of there?

NEIL: Which type of person are you? Or is it contextual?

NAOMI: I’m going to leave it.

NEIL: You’re going to leave it. You’re not going to-

NAOMI: If it goes down.

NEIL: Yeah. Yeah.

NAOMI: Again, as you said, this is the type of toilet sometimes. Who am I? Who am I?

NEIL: Some toilets or chronically that. I couldn’t live like that, though. And then there are the toilets that incompletely flush. They don’t do the dramatic rise, but you’re always going to need to flush them twice.

NAOMI: We had a toilet in our old place where, it was a low flow toilet, so not a lot of water. And we would always say to people literally you just came by we’d be like, “Hold the handle a little longer than you think.” Just give a little extra. You have to let people know. Let them know what the expect, let them know what’s happening.

NEIL: I wish I had said that to my sex partners in my 20s. Metaphorically hold the handle a little longer than you think. That seems like a good couple advice, generally.

NAOMI: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

NEIL: Next card. Naomi, those friends who secretly pity you for not having kids.

NAOMI: Okay, I’m the friend that secretly pities you for having kids. Okay? That is who I am.

NEIL: Cheers.

NAOMI: Sorry, I really have no one’s listening who has kids, they’re probably too busy with their kids.

NEIL: Right, exactly. Podcast?

NAOMI: You don’t listen to podcasts. I’ve certainly said too many dirty words for you to listen to this with children around.

NEIL: Yeah.

NAOMI: I really don’t get it. I really don’t get it.

NEIL: Yeah.

NAOMI: I mean if you have a baby now and your baby isn’t born with gills, they kind of fucked. The earth is literally melting. And a lot of my friends, white friends who’ve had kids where I’m like, “I guess you just don’t care because they’re white and it’ll be fine.” Or a bunch of my friends who have had boys and I go, “We don’t need any more white men coming up.” But I also think I’m like, there’s so many children who don’t have homes.

NEIL: I know.

NAOMI: Literally right here. And especially brown babies.

NEIL: Hello.

NAOMI: You know what I mean? They stay in the foster care system forever. There’s there’s a wait list for a blonde, blue-eyed baby, which is, white supremacy at work.

NEIL: Hello.

NAOMI: Because I had a friend where him and his partner, they were like, “Yeah we’ll take a brown baby. We don’t care.” and that baby didn’t require a wait list. They love that girl to death. He learned how to braid hair. She looking good. I was like, “Yeah!” You know to me, that … You know like with dogs, get a rescue.

NEIL: Oh my God, yeah. Absolutely.

NAOMI: You know what I mean? We all want a rescue dog or cat, but we got to get a fresh ass baby. Get out of here.

NEIL: Oh, I know.

NAOMI: Nobody needs your DNA that bad.

NEIL: Not to ask you to speak for all black people, but here we go. But where are you around … The idea of white couples adopting babies of color is not uncontroversial. Where are you around that?

NAOMI: No, I don’t understand it. Again, the couple I’m talking about, they are not black. But again, they wanted a child. But it was very gratifying to me. He would post pictures, he’s like, “Look at her new hair, I took a class.” And it’s like, “That’s what you got to do.” You can’t have your black baby as your prop and you want to deny their blackness. Because, “I don’t see color. Can’t you tell? I have a black baby.” No. You got to prepare your black baby for the world.

NEIL: Let’s see, August … Next card Naomi, I just was thinking of this, this morning. August is the Sunday of months.

NAOMI: Now that I’m an adult, I don’t feel it as much, maybe a little bit. But that sense of it’s all coming to an end. The Sunday shakes. I get the Sunday shakes now all the time, even though I don’t even have a regular nine to five. Because I’m like, “Tomorrow the emails will come. People will expect things.” And I always get sad on Sundays. I’m very like, “I don’t want to do this.” But August is also that hard time, you know? How can therapists all start taking August vacation? Nah, y’all ain’t allowed to do this shit. You ain’t got a union. The fact that they all fucking take a vacation if not for half, if not all of August.

NEIL: Oh my God, yeah.

NAOMI: Is rude. Because I’m like, there is nothing I need before the fall begins than double session. You know what I mean? Like let’s steal ourselves. Then the therapist want to fucking go away. And then you just spend August extra sweaty and sad. It’s a hard month.

NEIL: Are you still in therapy? If I may ask.

NAOMI: I’m still in couples, we do couples.

NEIL: Couples is great.

NAOMI: I have not found an individual person in Los Angeles. I mean that’s in part I’ve been in denial that I live there. Because we haven’t had a car everything is difficult. And so a thing like therapy where it’s going to cost me money just to get to you and the copay and you might not be the right one. I’m like, “Ah, fuck it. I got the gist. Stop hating myself.” And [inaudible 00:19:06] can buy some more time that way.

NEIL: You said you need a double session. How do you feel about double sessions in therapy? I used to hate them.

NAOMI: I love them.

NEIL: Really? It’s too much.

NAOMI: I love a dub.

NEIL: You love it? Really.

NAOMI: I love a dub.

NEIL: It’s too much.

NAOMI: Not a full, I’ll take an extra 30. You know what I mean? Like one and a half.

NEIL: Okay.

NAOMI: Because there is nothing worse than just getting into it, I’m fucking sobbing and that’s our time.

NEIL: Right.

NAOMI: Absolutely not. And then for couples, again, because it’s both of us talking. And obviously that’s a full hour, but for instance, we’re going to be in New York next week so we’ll actually be in person. Because we’ve been Skyping with our guy. We love him so much we’re not giving him up. The Skype has so far always worked. So it’s great. It’s meant to be. But we’re coming to New York and I go, “Can you add an extra half hour?” It’s like we’re going to be in person, let’s get into this shit. I want the full time. Because it takes a while when the two of you are talking.

NEIL: Oh, absolutely. I never would have thought to ask for an increment of a full session. My therapist was very inflexible about certain things like that. He had a fucking brutal cancellation policy. That we fought about I think for the first 10, 12 years of therapy.

NAOMI: I thought you were going to say the first 10 minutes of the session. No, 10, 12 years of seeing that person.

NEIL: Oh yeah.

NAOMI: Did you feel like you were being helped? Did you feel like you were changing on topics?

NEIL: That’s a tricky one. I felt like I was being helped, but I don’t know what help means necessarily.

NAOMI: Yes.

NEIL: First of all, there’s no control group. There is no me out there, as far as I know, who is living their life without having been in therapy with this person. I absolutely 100% feel like I was helped. I feel like I would not be with Jeff, who is a person who makes me laugh every day, who I love, who is kind. A lot of things. But I do feel like therapy held me back. Specifically, I had a therapist who grew up, he really prioritized making sure you had a stable, stable income. So that meant I stayed at my fine, halftime, soul crushing, ultimately, day job for 20 fucking years.

NAOMI: Wow.

NEIL: Rather than let us do what you just said earlier. Go all in on LA, metaphorically. You know?

NAOMI: Right, right.

NEIL: The card that I’m looking at this moment coincidentally is how my therapist told me not to trust my gut.

NAOMI: Whoa. What?

NEIL: Yep.

NAOMI: Wait and you saw this person for how many years?

NEIL: 25.

NAOMI: Why, Neil?

NEIL: Something close to 25.

NAOMI: Neil, I’m concerned. I’m worried about you.

NEIL: It was great advice for me. Because my gut is all fucked up.

NAOMI: Really?

NEIL: Yeah. Well, my gut is not dependable.

NAOMI: By virtue of the cards, Neil.

NEIL: Yeah.

NAOMI: I can assume you’re an over-thinker.

NEIL: Oh, absolutely.

NAOMI: So then how you-

NEIL: Jeff just told me that yesterday. Not told me, reminded me.

NAOMI: Because I mean I’m an over-thinker too. So I’m not saying that with shade. But then I’m like, when you’re an over-thinker, then the only, you’re like, “Well, okay, what is my gut telling me?” To stop me from spinning 20 iterations of-

NEIL: Right.

NAOMI: What? How?

NEIL: Well, see my gut always goes to the darkest place. He meant it in a specific way and he was being provocative. But I have to tell you, I have returned to that and it’s helped me.

NAOMI: Really?

NEIL: Because my gut goes to basically the Holocaust. You know what I mean? It’s like the darkest possible scenario-

NAOMI: You and Andy need to sit down and get into it.

NEIL: Oh, yes. Andy is Naomi’s fiancee, as was mentioned. And we are kindred spirits.

NAOMI: You’re truly kindred.

NEIL: Yes. Also, it’s not like there’s this thing that the, it’s like nature, nurture. There’s not a gut that is apart from your nurturing, I think. My gut is shaped by horror. Anyway, that’s how it was going on there.

NAOMI: We’re going to get that horror in later episodes. Okay guys? He can’t give it all to you now. All right. Just hold on. Stay listening. You’ll get there one card at a time.

NEIL: I’m looking at a card that says my favorite MTA messages are the ones that are undistorted, but very low volume so that everyone in the subway car gets quiet and listens together. You know what I’m talking about?

NAOMI: When it’s a little muffled and crackly?

NEIL: Yeah, but you’re in the car.

NAOMI: Where something’s happening.

NEIL: Yeah.

NAOMI: Where you’re in it where you’re like, “Okay, are we, are they telling us that we’re not going to stop here at the next stop? Or are we going to die on this train?”

NEIL: Something like that. But it’s the kind where there’s the hope of parsing it. It’s not, there are some subway messages, subway announcements that you just know I’m never going to know what they’re saying. But then there are those that if you all just got quiet, you could probably discern it. And the whole car gets that way.

NAOMI: I’ve never had that experience. Well, no. There is something I do like about the communal, as I think I was saying before. You know, the communal experience, that moment where you’re on a train and it stops suddenly and then when you all just start kind of making eye contact and trying to find out what’s happening and to be like, “Well if I die I’m not dying alone.”

NEIL: Absolutely.

NAOMI: That’s beautiful.

NEIL: Totally beautiful.

NAOMI: Or if I’m annoyed, I’m not the only person annoyed. There’s always that one person who really can’t take it and then has an outburst where you’re like, “Okay, you are a little extra. But also, I feel you.” You know what I mean? Where it’s like, “Should I keep an eye on you? But also I am you.” I love that community. We’re together, but also I can trust none of you. You know what I mean? One of you may be a killer. There’s something about the wall or the way you got to have fucking one eye on the exit. I find that to be rejuvenating for me. Because it’s an energy to even the simplest of tasks becomes a little charged.

NEIL: Yes.

NAOMI: And that is something that keeps me kind of going. It’s interesting because I find LA to be so much scarier than New York. I find it a lot creepier. There are not a lot of people on the street, which actually makes it scarier to me. And because it’s not a walking city, it’s the people who usually are walking in LA, it says something about you to be walking in a way that I wasn’t used to walking having an identity attached to it. You know what I mean? The act of walking now means you’re a certain somebody. And it’s like okay.

NEIL: You’re a walker.

NAOMI: Yeah it’s like, “What?”

NEIL: Bad over good. I would take a bad episode of Ru Paul’s Drag Race over the best [inaudible 00:26:08] movie. What would you do?

NAOMI: See, I don’t know. Because to me even the good stuff is bad. For instance, my best meal, I will try to avoid fast food as much as possible. But that means I want to go to a bomb ass Italian restaurant. So it’s literally still a plate of pasta and cheese. You know what I mean? It’s just got a truffle. You know? I’m still, even my good is a little bad. That’s my jam.

NEIL: On that note, Naomi Ekperigin, thank you so much for being on she’s a Talker. I’m so honored.

NAOMI: Because you know I am. Thank you for having me, Neil.

NEIL: I love you, Naomi.

NAOMI: You’re the best.

NEIL: Bye. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of She’s A Talker. I really hope you liked it. To help other people find it, I’d love it if you might rate and review it on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to it. Some credits, this series is made possible with generous support from Still Point Fund and with help from Devin Gwyn, Aaron Dalton, Stella Binion, Charlie Theobold, Etie Amare, Alex Shao, Molly Donahue, Justine Lee, Angela Loud, Josh Graver, and my husband Jeff Hiller, who sings the theme song you’re about to hear. Thank you to them and to my guest, Naomi Ekperigin, and to you for listening.

Jeff: (singing) She’s A Talker with Neil Goldberg. She’s A Talker with fabulous guests. She’s A Talker: it’s better than it sounds.